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Transcript: House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, “Face the Nation,” May 28, 2023

Below is a transcript of an interview with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries that aired on “Face the Nation” on May 28, 2023.


Margaret Brennan: House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries has joined us from his constituency in Brooklyn. good morning. Let’s get straight to the point, can you win a Democrat majority?

Democratic Leadership Representative Hakeem Jeffries: Well, good morning Margaret. I look forward to meeting with the House Democrats at the White House later this afternoon. We could have a solid argument, but let’s just say this: President Biden will avoid a catastrophic default, prevent an economic collapse, and prevent the extreme MAGA Republicans from causing a job-killing recession. resulted in a deterrence. As we’ve seen in the last week or two, this seems to be the position they’re taking for political reasons.

Margaret Brennan: Okay, well, the only way we can avoid a default is if you all get the votes in favor and get through. McCarthy said this morning he expects to win a majority of Republicans and believes some Democrats will vote Republican. But he also quoted what you told him. listen.

Speaker Representative Kevin McCarthy/FOX News/Audio on Tape:

I think a lot of people vote for Democrats too. Democrats are very upset right now. But what Hakeem told me is there is nothing on the bill against them. Nothing in the Democratic bill.

Margaret Brennan: Did you say that? And how do you convince the Democrats?

Congressman Jeffries: I have no idea what he’s talking about. All we have reached is agreement in principle, especially since we have not been able to scrutinize the actual text. Well, what I have consistently said in my private life is,

Margaret Brennan: Have you spoken to him?

Congressman Jeffries: I spoke to him yesterday afternoon and haven’t spoken to him since. But what I have consistently said, both publicly and privately, is that the extreme MAGA Republican bargaining stance and the extreme bill they passed on April 26, the U.S. Debt Default Act, has no value for Democrats. It contained nothing that was consistent with the views and values ​​of America. And when the American people understand, and everyone understands, that a bipartisan resolution is the only way to avoid a catastrophic debt default, that bargaining position becomes a viable solution for the people. It was irrational to think that it could bring about

Margaret Brennan: Okay, and it’s a bill that’s no good. Regarding what was or is being written as we speak. Progressive caucus leader Pramila Jayapal told CNN this morning that he needs to worry about the party’s left. In her caucuses she has 102 members. How many defectors do you expect to see from the Democratic Party?

Congressman Jeffries:

Now, I have had several conversations with Pramila Jayapal over the last few days and will continue to do so. I expect her to attend the caucuses later today. All I can say here is that President Biden’s reaching a deal in principle does a few important things. Plus, it would avoid catastrophic defaults that would hurt ordinary Americans. Protect Social Security. It protects Medicare, it protects Medicaid. It protects veterans. It protects the American people.

[CROSSTALK]

Margaret Brennan: She’s concerned about the environment, environmental policy changes and food stamps.

Representative: Jeffries: Just a minute. I’ll get right to it. This would protect the American people from the kind of catastrophic spending cuts Republicans have proposed in the US Debt Default Act. These are incredibly important advances. Now, as far as permission matters go, I haven’t had a chance to consider what the final wording of the proposed terms on the permission situation would look like, nor have any of us had the chance. was not As far as SNAP as I understand it, I think we’ll have a chance to review the language within hours of it being released, but my understanding is that it actually expands the entitlements of people like veterans. It will be. This is because the exemptions have changed as a result of the content of this agreement with respect to the original law passed in 1996.

Margaret Brennan: Well, according to the White House, they’re going to ease working conditions for veterans and the homeless, but they’re still going to raise the age from 49 to 54. Are you implying that the White House is not easing here? Not enough details explained?

Congressman Jeffries: Of course, the White House has provided all of us with ample explanation every step of the way. But I think this is only an agreement in principle, as the White House has indicated.

Margaret Brennan: Right.

Congressman Jeffries: We won’t have a final agreement until we can all consider the actual text of the law.

Margaret Brennan: Okay. The White House still claims it’s a budget deal and a separate debt ceiling hike, but McCarthy insists it’s a 150-page bill and not an explicit debt ceiling hike. One vote, one bill?

Congressman Jeffries: Well, we don’t know that yet, but ultimately it’s the House Republicans’ prerogative to decide. I expect a significant number of House Republicans to vote for this deal. I understand they are committed to getting at least 150 votes and more. It was they who negotiated this agreement with the White House. And expect them to provide a good number of votes to cross the finish line.

Margaret Brennan: Well, 150 Republicans, do you need like 70 Democrats?

Congressman Jeffries: Well, if we actually get a good explanation from the White House, I would expect there to be some Democratic support, but I don’t predict what that number will end up being. We must go through a consistent process of respecting all members of Congress and their ability to fully understand the resolutions reached.

Margaret Brennan: Okay. Connecticut’s Jim Hymes (not a progressive) said this morning that if the vote is lost, we’re going to see a market reaction that no one wants to see. Can you deliver my vote? Can you send someone like him? Can you deliver a winning vote on the first try? He’s talking about a market crash.

Congressman Jeffries: Well, of course we have to avoid a market crash. We must avoid hurting the economy. Defaults should be avoided. The reason we are in this situation from the beginning is that extreme MAGA Republicans are determined to use the possibility of default to hold the economy and ordinary Americans hostage. period, punctuation.

[CROSSTALK]

Margaret Brennan: Okay, that’s where we are now. And the deal happened.

[CROSSTALK]

Congressman Jeffries: That’s right.

Margaret Brennan: You negotiated with them. So here we are.

Congressman Jeffries: That’s why I’m grateful that President Biden has come to a resolution. And that’s why I appreciate that despite the fact that they were trying to shove a 10-year spending cap down the American public’s throat, they were clearly able to freeze spending to match 2023 levels. It’s also why we’re doing it — to 2023 levels, not 2023 levels. Level in 2022, that’s what they were trying to extract and I’m grateful they were able to avoid a catastrophic default.

[CROSSTALK]

Margaret Brennan: We don’t have the original text, although it is disputed. Therefore, we have no choice but to wait for it. But I want to ask you about your backup plan. 213 Democrats voted in favor of this immunity petition, the idea that they could vote to raise the debt ceiling even if Republican leaders don’t act. We need five Republicans. can it? Can you assure people that default will not happen?

Congressman Jeffries: Yes.

Margaret Brennan: Okay. Hakeem Jeffries, nice to meet you. I hope to see you here in person next time.

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Below is a transcript of an interview with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries that aired on “Face the Nation” on May 28, 2023.Margaret Brennan: House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries has joined us from his constituency in Brooklyn. good morning. Let’s get straight to the point, can you win a Democrat majority?Democratic Leadership Representative Hakeem Jeffries: Well, good morning Margaret. I look forward to meeting with the House Democrats at the White House later this afternoon. We could have a solid argument, but let’s just say this: President Biden will avoid a catastrophic default, prevent an economic collapse, and prevent the extreme MAGA Republicans from causing a job-killing recession. resulted in a deterrence. As we’ve seen in the last week or two, this seems to be the position they’re taking for political reasons.

Margaret Brennan: Okay, well, the only way we can avoid a default is if you all get the votes in favor and get through. McCarthy said this morning he expects to win a majority of Republicans and believes some Democrats will vote Republican. But he also quoted what you told him. listen.Speaker Representative Kevin McCarthy/FOX News/Audio on Tape:

I think a lot of people vote for Democrats too. Democrats are very upset right now. But what Hakeem told me is there is nothing on the bill against them. Nothing in the Democratic bill.Margaret Brennan: Did you say that? And how do you convince the Democrats?Congressman Jeffries: I have no idea what he’s talking about. All we have reached is agreement in principle, especially since we have not been able to scrutinize the actual text. Well, what I have consistently said in my private life is,Margaret Brennan: Have you spoken to him?

Congressman Jeffries: I spoke to him yesterday afternoon and haven’t spoken to him since. But what I have consistently said, both publicly and privately, is that the extreme MAGA Republican bargaining stance and the extreme bill they passed on April 26, the U.S. Debt Default Act, has no value for Democrats. It contained nothing that was consistent with the views and values ​​of America. And when the American people understand, and everyone understands, that a bipartisan resolution is the only way to avoid a catastrophic debt default, that bargaining position becomes a viable solution for the people. It was irrational to think that it could bring aboutMargaret Brennan: Okay, and it’s a bill that’s no good. Regarding what was or is being written as we speak. Progressive caucus leader Pramila Jayapal told CNN this morning that he needs to worry about the party’s left. In her caucuses she has 102 members. How many defectors do you expect to see from the Democratic Party?Congressman Jeffries: Now, I have had several conversations with Pramila Jayapal over the last few days and will continue to do so. I expect her to attend the caucuses later today. All I can say here is that President Biden’s reaching a deal in principle does a few important things. Plus, it would avoid catastrophic defaults that would hurt ordinary Americans. Protect Social Security. It protects Medicare, it protects Medicaid. It protects veterans. It protects the American people.[CROSSTALK]Margaret Brennan: She’s concerned about the environment, environmental policy changes and food stamps.Representative: Jeffries: Just a minute. I’ll get right to it. This would protect the American people from the kind of catastrophic spending cuts Republicans have proposed in the US Debt Default Act. These are incredibly important advances. Now, as far as permission matters go, I haven’t had a chance to consider what the final wording of the proposed terms on the permission situation would look like, nor have any of us had the chance. was not As far as SNAP as I understand it, I think we’ll have a chance to review the language within hours of it being released, but my understanding is that it actually expands the entitlements of people like veterans. It will be. This is because the exemptions have changed as a result of the content of this agreement with respect to the original law passed in 1996.

Margaret Brennan: Well, according to the White House, they’re going to ease working conditions for veterans and the homeless, but they’re still going to raise the age from 49 to 54. Are you implying that the White House is not easing here? Not enough details explained?Congressman Jeffries: Of course, the White House has provided all of us with ample explanation every step of the way. But I think this is only an agreement in principle, as the White House has indicated. Margaret Brennan: Right.Congressman Jeffries: We won’t have a final agreement until we can all consider the actual text of the law.Margaret Brennan: Okay. The White House still claims it’s a budget deal and a separate debt ceiling hike, but McCarthy insists it’s a 150-page bill and not an explicit debt ceiling hike. One vote, one bill?Congressman Jeffries: Well, we don’t know that yet, but ultimately it’s the House Republicans’ prerogative to decide. I expect a significant number of House Republicans to vote for this deal. I understand they are committed to getting at least 150 votes and more. It was they who negotiated this agreement with the White House. And expect them to provide a good number of votes to cross the finish line.Margaret Brennan: Well, 150 Republicans, do you need like 70 Democrats?

Congressman Jeffries: Well, if we actually get a good explanation from the White House, I would expect there to be some Democratic support, but I don’t predict what that number will end up being. We must go through a consistent process of respecting all members of Congress and their ability to fully understand the resolutions reached.Margaret Brennan: Okay. Connecticut’s Jim Hymes (not a progressive) said this morning that if the vote is lost, we’re going to see a market reaction that no one wants to see. Can you deliver my vote? Can you send someone like him? Can you deliver a winning vote on the first try? He’s talking about a market crash.Congressman Jeffries: Well, of course we have to avoid a market crash. We must avoid hurting the economy. Defaults should be avoided. The reason we are in this situation from the beginning is that extreme MAGA Republicans are determined to use the possibility of default to hold the economy and ordinary Americans hostage. period, punctuation.[CROSSTALK]Margaret Brennan: Okay, that’s where we are now. And the deal happened.[CROSSTALK]Congressman Jeffries: That’s right.

Margaret Brennan: You negotiated with them. So here we are.Congressman Jeffries: That’s why I’m grateful that President Biden has come to a resolution. And that’s why I appreciate that despite the fact that they were trying to shove a 10-year spending cap down the American public’s throat, they were clearly able to freeze spending to match 2023 levels. It’s also why we’re doing it — to 2023 levels, not 2023 levels. Level in 2022, that’s what they were trying to extract and I’m grateful they were able to avoid a catastrophic default.[CROSSTALK]Margaret Brennan: We don’t have the original text, although it is disputed. Therefore, we have no choice but to wait for it. But I want to ask you about your backup plan. 213 Democrats voted in favor of this immunity petition, the idea that they could vote to raise the debt ceiling even if Republican leaders don’t act. We need five Republicans. can it? Can you assure people that default will not happen?Congressman Jeffries: Yes. Margaret Brennan: Okay. Hakeem Jeffries, nice to meet you. I hope to see you here in person next time.

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